I hope you mean the royal "we" - More on energy price increases and the "windfall tax"
Wed 6th Aug 2008 – (4 Comments)
Liberal Conspiracy is helping Compass to spearhead a call for a windfall tax on energy companies. Apparently they are making far too much money and we want a piece of that pie. The article itself says...
Yet despite the billions made in profits, the energy industry spends just £50 million a year combating fuel poverty and has only agreed to raise this to £150 million a year by 2010. But every 10% increase in energy prices mean an extra 400,000 people go into fuel poverty.
I'm afraid that "we" don't all agree with this kind of thinking and feel very cautious about a windfall tax, especially given this government having made moves to disproportionately charge poorer people more for simple living through the abolition of the 10p tax rate and now the VED tax changes, changes that could do as much as to put around 400,000 people in to relative fuel poverty by the article's figures. On top of this Brown and his chancellor are considering axing some levels of stamp duty which could lose the government billions of pounds it could better put on alleviating fuel poverty.
Windfall taxes are essentially a quick political fix for a government that is desperately scrambling to re-engage with it's core voters. What it fails to realise is that rising fuel costs are only a small part of the issue, especially when a windfall tax offers no future security of situation. Since 1997 council tax costs have risen by almost the same amount as fuel. OK, but then councils don't make any profit do they?
Oh wait, only £200m a year on social housing. Now ideally this would go in to social housing but...
Under the system, rent income totalling around £800m will go to the Treasury from English councils this year, while only £600m will be returned or "redistributed". Unbelievably, for many in the social housing sector there is no guarantee that the surplus will be spent on housing rather than being channelled to, say, health, education or transport.
Now I know it's not that simple, and that not using that money on other services means other people could suffer in other ways...but people in this sort of housing are the more needy of our society, they are the ones that want to get out of poverty. How about we just stop charging council house tenants so much more every year to live there and give them some more money to actually pay for their fuel bills at a start? Or how about not letting your MPs talk a bill out of the house that would save energy costs and, more beneficially, reduce domestic demand?
I've said it before, we don't need quick fixes we need absolute change in the strategy for trading energy. In fact Tim Worstall does a better job than I could ever do of explaining why windfall taxes on energy are inherently a bad thing for energy pricing. And look, I didn't even talk about the waste of money that is ID cards...
Increasing supply would require more money to be spent on the problems of discovering and extracting more of those energy sources: reducing demand could be done by reducing the amount that people either do or have available to spend on purchasing such. Perhaps not the way we'd like to do that latter, but it would work.
Comments
2. Lee Griffin - 8 Aug 2008 - 14:38
You have a fair point, but how much are you intending to tax? Without a huge windfall tax set against these companies actually now making LESS profits there simply won’t be enough money to make a difference, and if you tax regularly to get enough money then it’s no longer a windfall tax and you’ll see the ripple effect cause business relations to breakdown in the UK. It’s a poorly thought-out idea.
It *could* have worked maybe a year or two ago, when companies were passing on all of their costs to customers to keep their profits, but now it’s a late action that all around will just cause resentment. the Business sector won’t appreciate it, the opposition (tories certainly) will have more ammo to use against Labour and poor people will comprehensively NOT feel any of the benefits until the Tories are comfortably in power. Where’s the win for Labour?
I said it on Liberal Conspiracy, the first move should be making the system of charging fairer, that could be an instant win without losing the businesses trust, then moving on to finding ways to increase input to energy reduction investments.
3. Noel - 10 Aug 2008 - 10:35
"I’ll make oil companies like Exxon pay a tax on their windfall profits, and we’ll use the money to help families pay for their skyrocketing energy costs and other bills."
These aren’t Compass’ words, so who’s can they be? I’ll let you guess.
The windfall tax will fall mostly on the petrol companies because demand for oil is more elastic than supply. The proceeds for the tax will make energy cheaper (i.e. investment in better insulation) and more sustainable (i.e. investment in renewables) for people. The cost of insulation and renewable energy is much more elastic than the cost of petrol (unless you think the UK can buy off OPEP and at the same time prevent any externalities affecting the cost?), so with greater investment to make sustainable energy solutions cheaper, people will see which energies are the most cost-effective for them. Unless the cost of oil goes down, private investors will be more likely to put their money in these solutions too, especially if they aren’t as affected by externalities that petrol is impacted by. I forgot, this also creates jobs in that sector...
4. Lee Griffin - 11 Aug 2008 - 09:40
But as many other people have said, if you tax British oil companies then all you do is make it harder for the British oil companies to compete internationally, giving even *more* power to those in the middle east and Russia...how is that a good long term strategy? I still don’t think you guys have your head around the figures nor the timescales, nor indeed the realities of just how hard it will be to make those in the poorest homes to have good levels of insulation.
Investment in renewables? You know it will take over £2bn to simply create 1% of our energy needs? This is why I’m asking where your figures are, because as far as I’m concerned you’re currently talking about taxing companies for an effectively zero gain or you’re talking about taxing them in the region of 25-33% of their profit. Neither of them are ideal solutions and in BOTH cases all it does it present the appearance of whoever is in government next as being better when it comes to bringing prices down, so is a poor political move to boot. I’ll be writing more about this later.
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1. Noel - 7 Aug 2008 - 21:55
The windfall tax isn’t a quick fix though is it, as it could help invest in making sure every home is insulated and so saves energy and therefore money for people at the end of the month, as well as the so-called green collar jobs, which would bring more employment.