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What is this "openness" you talk of?

Fri 4th Jul 2008 – (3 Comments)

A couple of days ago a speech that MP and Minister David Lammy made to the Fabian society was published on Liberal Conspiracy. The speech was largely devoid of content and was little more than a rallying speech about how amazing American politics is compared to UK politics in engaging people...apparently. What it did try and touch on, however, was parliament and government and how perhaps both can be more open to sources outside the Westminster Village.

What a shock and a shame it is to hear today then that in a vote on expenses made yesterday, parliament made it fairly clear that such an idea is very far from the minds of politicians. Expenses and perks of the job first, fair and representative politics second (if even that high) it seems!

Unfortunately it seems Mr Lammy was too busy to give his vote to making parliamentary processes less incestuous, but it wouldn't have mattered since high level Ministers such as Jacqui Smith and Andy Burnham also wanted to keep their perks a little closer to home.

The options on the table were clear, either keep the system much as it is and risk the public being disenfranchised with frivolous purchases and inquiries carried out by people with more than a vested interest in the outcome, or to really shake the chamber up and show that this is a political system for the 21st Century, have real transparency and independent review of the process. It seems openness only goes so far.

The trouble is that some MPs seem to think that being inclusive and open to the public includes simply knocking on some doors around election time, and making a lot of noise when an issue comes up in the media that they feel could win them some polling points. They forget completely that the public is far too cynical already of politics and the politicians, and that we also look at how they act. Not listening to expert opinion, or at least not taking it on board, setting up petition sites where none of the petitions end up achieving anything (perhaps the car charging would be the exception to the rule if Lib Dem's hadn't made it party policy), and generally using their all too powerful votes to decide on their own benefits.

No amount of face to face engagement can wipe away the public distrust caused by secret back-room deals, dodgy expense use and only paying lip service to important issues. MPs, and in fact political bloggers, need to realise that the whole package is important. Obama, referenced frequently in Lammy's speech, was as inspirational as he was because he presented an honest, approachable and no-nonsense personality, one that seemed as though it would shake away the cobwebs of the "old politics" that people have grown distrustful of. It's not just that he did the ground work, it's that he has given the impression he won't betray the public either.

If MPs want people, or rather if Labour want people, to give money to them to dig them out of the hard times, then you have to do more than just engage them on political campaigns...you have to be someone that people will trust giving money to as well. This latest vote on expenses does nothing but move the public away from that position.

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1. thomas - 4 Jul 2008 - 20:30

It’s a tough line to draw strictly, but David Lammy essentially admitted his conflicted position when he responded initially at comment #9 on the LC thread by contradicting his own speech and saying that that politics is not about single issues, but about how coherent philosophy informs every issue.

The thread is significant in marking an important departure for Sunny’s LC strategy because it shows how the independence of the conspirators is being forced/encouraged to coalesce.

I wasn’t in attendance at the consiprators conference and I try to maintain my independence because I recognise there is a threat to the articulated ambitions of the project being subverted/channeled towards support for insider figures within the pre-existing establishment, such as David Lammy.

However, it will be interesting to observe whether the site will be able to simultaneously maintain and grow its direction and independence, or whether recent events indicate the fatal shift which sees it subsumed into existing party machinery.

The openness you mention, Lee, is the most significant point which will provide the definitive indication as to whether or not contributors are being manipulated. So when Sunder Katwala suddenly intervened at comment #91 it was striking for his apparent substitution for David Lammy in an attempt to defuse the growing discontent we (and others) both felt and were articulating while calling for a response. This suggested to me two things, namely, 1)that our criticisms are valid and we were scoring hits, and 2)there were backroom communications going on in order to satisfy the complaints which David Lammy couldn’t or wouldn’t provide himself.

Without being privy to the internal workings of the network I cannot conclusively state whether Sunny is naive or conniving, but I’d prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding the closeness of his connection with the Fabians. It is important to not let suspicion get the better of us as this will defeat any purpose to which it is put, but there is ample circumstantial evidence we would regret ignoring in retrospect - so continued vigilance is a must.

The history of coalition-building is one which is fraught with the same difficulties. Eventually the crunch comes, decisions must be made and to the victor go the spoils - credit goes to the senior partner and any junior partners are forced to hold their tongues, fall in line and search for crumbs of comfort in the wider context of the narrative. It is far preferable to know what you are letting youraelf in for before you experience the ride.

It is a recurring cliche, but to be forewarned is to be forearmed against how dissent is managed by keeping it within acceptable parameters for the purposes of preserving the appearance of unity.

Sunder’s comment is worth rereading in this light as it exposes a deeper truth than he may have intentionally desired. He is more interested in social change than good politics - which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, provided they don’t prove exclusive to one another. He is nevertheless strident on the need for certainty in maintaining clear political direction, which harks of old-fashioned socialist strategy to me, rather than something more liberated.

Anyway, whatever you think about where LC is going I hope you are clear-headed and conscious about the limitations of the choices which face the group in building a movement. The ’politics of aggregation’ will always play a part, so there will remain an important role for sympathetic critics to enable at least some balance to be maintained.

2. Lee Griffin - 5 Jul 2008 - 01:15

Wow, thanks for the long comment! Very insightful :)

I’m not sure that I would agree just yet that the LC situation is starting to look exactly the way you see it, certainly with reference to support for insider figures. I do understand Sunny’s point and what he was trying to say even if I do not agree that it is entirely relevant in this example.

We, in general as critics of David Lammy, were quite abrupt and aggressive and we have to accept that...just as Sunny and Mr Lammy have hopefully accepted we had entirely relevant points that were merely side stepped and ignored. There is certainly something to be said for supporting the candidate that is pushing change, but there’s also something to be said for not being led blindly down an alley with no reassurances of legitimacy.

What I’m certain I agree with you on is just how the comment debate was formed with more "senior" members getting involved when it seemed clear to me there was a case to be made. Ignoring the curx of the arugments we had about the conduct of debate didn’t help that assumption by myself.

This said, I don’t believe LC can ever survive solely as a group mentality, a coallition of the liberals. The grouping is too far and too wide, and bloggers are too egotistical by nature. What LC needs to be is a place that embraces the fact we’re an egotistical bunch who all want our say, that we don’t all quite agree, but also provides a high profile and widely advertised place to do it.

Aggregation is the name of the game, and the left (at the convention specifically I’m talking about) wished to say that "no-one should be above another" in the rankings of leftist/liberal bloggers. To say this is to ignore the realities of popularity and how the public spend their time. I honestly believe a lot of people thought that 100 people writing insightful blogs would move the liberal-left cause forward, when in reality people rarely have time to reference more than a few sites a day if they’re lucky.

If that site can be LC, and LC can be a place of providing a range of similar but not always exact views, then it can be a huge tool in pushing liberal-left issues to the fore. I am still quite happy right now that this is the intention for it, but I think both you and I, thomas, will at least be standing up to ensure that it doesn’t become a Labour (or any other party for that matter) support recruiting ground.

3. thomas - 5 Jul 2008 - 15:55

Yeah, it’s like others have said: the price of freedom is eternal vigilance...

But then on blogs it is hard to express the precise amount of vehemence each feels!

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